Tango Experience Berlin 2013 - compensation

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Overview

The Tango Experience Berlin 2013 had been cancelled on 2013-08-22.

This page informs about:

  • the claims to the GE Invest GmbH & Co. Consulting KG that are related to the Tango Experience Berlin.
  • ideas to get some money back

This page is edited by Tobias Conradi (TC), owner of tango.info.

Balance sheets

2011-12-31

KG

As of 2011-12-31 the balance sheet total of the KG was 175.979,78 EUR, containing liabilities of 147.069,78 EUR, thereof 143.300,85 EUR with a maturity of up to one year. 

Aktiva
C. nicht durch Eigenkapital gedeckter Fehlbetrag	171.786,38	
Bilanzsumme, Summe Aktiva	 175.979,78

Passiva
C. Verbindlichkeiten	147.069,78
 davon mit Restlaufzeit bis 1 Jahr	143.300,85

The sole fully liable entity of the KG is the GmbH.

GmbH

Aktiva
D. nicht durch Eigenkapital gedeckter Fehlbetrag 95.941,10
Bilanzsumme, Summe Aktiva	 110.505,01

Passiva
C. Verbindlichkeiten	100.343,86
 davon mit Restlaufzeit bis 1 Jahr	100.343,86
Bilanzsumme, Summe Passiva	110.505,01

Group in Facebook

Members include:

Origins of claims

A non-exhaustive list of origin of the claims:

  • 1) delivery of goods or services to the KG
  • 2) payments for access to events of the festival ("refund")
  • 3) payments for access to the fair as a seller
  • 4) expenses by artists for accommodation or travel that the KG promised to cover
  • 5) expenses for accommodation or travel not covered by 4)
  • 6) lost business of artists or sellers elsewhere due to coming to the experience

Refund

Paypal

Posted in the facebook group:

  • "To whom paid with "PayPal", pls claim by "PayPal" that the events didn't take place and ask for the refund. We already got our refund for the Gala on thursday, for which we paid with "PayPal". Unfortunately, the seminar was not with Paypal"
  • 2013-08-29 Update: I just received word that Paypal has escalated my case for more thorough review. There are a number of issues. First: they only refund if claim made within 45 days. I bought my ticket on June 28 (so I could plan an international trip) but did not find out it was cancelled until August 22. Second, it may be considered a 'service' not a 'good' which PayPal also does not refund. But the fact that they escalated it to a claim is an excellent sign. Tobias you may have to change the setting of this group from private to public because we have to provide proof via a URL. PayPal looks at all this as evidence. People who filed with PayPal need to make a claim immediately and continue to update this page to show how many actually were affected.

Claims

Business partners

Other

  • Tango.info: 85,68 € an ad in the Tango.info berlin A4 flyer - INVOICE SENT
  • Sound Equipment by Lars Lomborg: Travel/transport cost of 1000€ plus lost rental/salary for 7 Live music sets (one set I did do on Wednesday Warming Up)

DJs

  • La Ros: In my case my trip cost is around 200€ (dropping the lost cachè...) / if we have to count the lost work: it's 3 dj set, tot 14h = around 400€ / most important for me is recover the trip I payed (200€), than just if possible lost cachè (400€)
  • Bärbel Rücker: I was suppose to DJ 2 times at the festival (Thursday night @ Rix & Sadturday night @ marathon). My travel expenses are 101 EUR, my fee would have been 330 EUR. Total loss 431 EUR.
  • Robin Thomas: i was supposed to be paid 480 euros for dj'ing at the marathon and gala, 6 hours each. i was supposed to be paid $410 for 50% of my flight.

Musicians

  • Ensemble Hyperion: 1620 € for plane tickets
  • Dario Viri (from Silencio Tango): 225 € for plane ticket
  • Tangarte:
    • Rental minibus 2400 SEK
    • Gasoline 200 SEK
    • Ferry tickets 2000 SEK
    • Guest bandoenon player flights, train, Rotterdam-Malmö, hotel in Malmö 3500 SEK
    • Guest bandoenon player food etc Malmö 1000 SEK
    • Sum 9100 SEK = 1080 €
    • Lost Artist fee, two concerts/milongas on friday 23 august: 260€ x 8 = 2080 €
    • IN TOTAL 3160 €

Exhibitors

  • tangocd.com: 143,99 € rental fee fair stand and related

Visitors

Some examples from the facebook group. List includes

  • loc = code for country of residence and sometimes city, for Berlin please always state the city
  • p = number of people involved
  • t = payments for tickets in Euro
loc p t text from facebook
BY 1 150 150 EUR for the marathon pass +245 euro a plane ticket+450 euro for the hotel) in total: 845 euro
CH 1 150 150 EUR for the marathon pass
CH 1 150 150 EUR for the marathon ticket + 350 EUR for B&B 100 away from cafe Moskau.
CZ 1 150 150 euros for the marathon pass
DE/BER 1 250 250€ for Marathon & all Galas Ticket
DE/BER 1 150 marathon pass: 150 euro
DE/BER 1 272 272.-€ for "Premium+" Ticket via PayPal, 100.-€ for lent a Gala tuxedo.
DE/BER 2 480 480€ for our seminar with Julio y Corina.
DE/BER 2 96 96 € für die Eröffnungsgala + 6 € Bearbeitungsgebühr bezahlt, da wir kein Paket buchen wollten.
DE/BER 1 150 Marathon: 150 Euro
DE/BER 1 192 192 EUro for all the galas ,milongas, etc. Paid via paypal.
DE/BER 1 162 162 Festival Ticket, early bird, Germany, Berlin
DE/BER 1 150 150 EUR for the marathon ticket; Berlin
DE/BER 1 150 150 for the marathon pass. Berlin, Germany. And via bank account.
DE/BER 1 150 150 EUR for the marathon pass (DE)
DE/BER 2 240 we paid 2 x 120€ for the EG4 seminar
DE/FRA 1 150 150 EUR for the marathon pass.
DE/FRA 2 120 €120 for a workshop and my love did so too (€240 total in advance)
DE/HAM 2 300 300 marathon pass, me and my partner...
DE/HAM 1 150 150 euro for the marathon pass
DE/HAM 1 150 150 € for the marathon pass, Hamburg, Germany
DE/HAM 1 150 Marathon ticket M, 150€, Hamburg, Germany
DE/HEI 2 480 ... and I paid 240 € for the 2-days seminar with Claudio Forte and Barbara Carpino. And we paid for an appartment from thursday-sunday ~180€.
DE/MGL 1 190 Premium ticket (early bird) 190 Eur
DK 1 220 220 EUR for the Premium Festival Ticket
ES/Viveiro 1 150 Marathon pass 150 euros, plus 300 euro flight, 250 euro for hotel, extra entrance to milongas 30 euros, 150 euro extra costs for food and transport. As marothon had the food included, i was not counted eit all these extea costs.
FI 1 150 My marathon pass was 150€.
FR/PAR 1 232 e-ticket pass for all festival package 232 Euros / but ticket script CB 243,49 ! flight /hostel : 609 euros / voyage SNCF CB
GB 1 80 Gala tickets for two nights, that's 80 euro
GB 1 150 150 Euros in advance for the marathon. Living in UK
GB 1 150 €150 for marathon via PayPal.
GB 2 120 Paid in advance € 120 for workshops (for myself and my partner). Living in UK.
GB 1 150 150 euros for the marathon (UK)
IT 1 150 150 euro for Marathon pass + flight + hotel + food + many irritation.
IT 1 150 150 EUR for marathon pass+130 EUR for flyght+150 for hotel+60 food+50 taxi
IT 1 140 I paid 140 £ for the 4 gala events. Country of residence Italy / fix: euro
IT/ROM 1 76 2 Gala tickets, 76 EUR
IT/ROM 1 150 € 150, marathon
NL/AMS 1 250 250 euro for Marathon pass with additional Gala-upgrade.
NO/OSL 1 192 192 euro for the Festival ticket pass!
NO/OSL 1 180 180€ for festival pass + 415 € for 5 nights in festival hotel Amano + flight from Oslo Norway amounting to Nkr 983 which equals 125 €. Total expense: 720 €. All paid Visa credit card.
NO 1 192 192 € pass + flight and hotel
NO 1 250 250 euros for the marathon+galas. Plus accomodation 167 euros and flights 145 euros.
PL 2 300 Ticket 150 x 2 = 300€, Trip 180€
PL 2 480 me and my tango partner - 480 EUR for festival workshops
PL 1 162? paid 162€ (and rebooked for the marathon) - via Ticketscript: total costs 170,34€ from PL
PR 1 150 150 euros for the Marathon. I came fron Puerto Rico.
PR 1 150 I paid 150 euros for the marathon, I came from Puerto Rico.
SE 1 190 Premium festival ticket ( early bird ) €190, Travel costs ( if included ) around €200 So total of €390. I would however, only claim the €190 for the gala ticket.
UA 1 192 Paid 192 Euro for all the galas ,milongas, etc. Paid via paypal.
US 1 261 261 Euro via paypal for marathon & gala tickets, plus 1600 Euro for flight from USA, 260 Euro for hotel/lodging, 80 euro for taxi & U/S-bahn
US 1 250 €250 for marathon + galas...the sensation of being told fairy tales at this age = priceless
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